Toward a Men’s Nation
I saw the seed for this idea on a men’s discussion group. Is it time that real MEN began forming our own nation? It appears that we are so oppressed, beaten down, controlled, and watched that we have little hope of recapturing the massive Femernments that run today’s nations. The beginning of a resurgence of men in the world might be the creation of a new kind of political entity, a nation of men that exists within and across other land based governments, The Men‘s Nation.
As I look back on history I recall that in this land in 1776 a group of courageous men formed a new nation and national government even while the land was owned and controlled by another nation. Wresting the land from the other government required several years, took 100,000 men willing to go to war, and cost the lives of 25,000 good men out of a total population of 4 million. A similar proportion today would require close to 10 million men willing to leave their families and go to war for the Men’s Nation, and cost close to a quarter of a million deaths. The opposition would be just as fierce, with the current government looting and burning, killing men, women, children, and even shooting our dogs to demoralize and terrorize the new nation of MEN. Certainly Bob does not advocate the violent overthrow of any government despite clearly illegal ongoing violations of its constitution.
What is needed is a new kind of nation, a nation within other nations, a nation dedicated to love and families and a future for men and our children. We need a nation where our daughters can grow up, get married, raise our grandchildren, and live full, rich, wonderful lives. We need a nation where our sons can grow up into valuable men, find decent wives, raise good families, and have full, rich, satisfying lives. We need a nation where real MEN come together to protect and support each other and each other’s families. We need a nation where feminist political crap and lies are ignored or persecuted, where courageous men make war on the feminazi death camps, their SS troops, and their propaganda ministers.
We need a Men’s Nation where men pledge their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to the nation of men. We need a Men’s Nation where courageous men can form action groups that protect the honor and families of men. We need a men’s nation that can explain the facts of life and death to evil cunt licking politicians and their cadres of hired gun thugs.
We need a men’s nation where the rightful place of the husband and father is at the head of the household, where the husband and father has the responsibility and authority to decide what is best for his family. We need a nation where neither the evil lesbitches from CPS nor the lieyers and agents of Satan in black robes of hell can come to take our children without fearing that their wasted lives will soon be over. We need a nation where a man supports his family by providing food at dinnertime and a place for them to sleep, not by paying some evil bitch for destroying his family and taking his children.
Forming new Men’s Nation is not an impossible dream. All it would take is 50 or 100 real MEN of courage and substance who are willing to pledge their lives, their honor, and 10% of their fortune to its creation and continuation. To begin, the Men’s Nation would form a secret meeting, a secret recognition, a secret handshake, a secret initiation, and a public political arm.
The Nation of Men would have to be a new kind of international or transnational political organization, different from current land nations, different from historic secret men’s fraternal groups, different from historic religious organizations and denominations, a new kind of thing. We can model much of our political organization on manly nations of the past, taking good aspects of Romans, Greeks, Vikings, Franks, Celts, and Britons. Men are warriors and poets, lovers and leaders, fathers and sons.
Is it time to begin forming a new Nation of Men and to begin overturning the feminazi domination of the 20th century?
Update
Bob has been informed that this article has been being translated into Hebrew and posted in a web site in Israel. Here is the URL for the Hebrew translation.
Many of Bob's articles are available for MEN to repost. Please request permission and provide URL information when it is reposted. All of Bob's articles are copyright according to US and International law.
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As I look back on history I recall that in this land in 1776 a group of courageous men formed a new nation and national government even while the land was owned and controlled by another nation. Wresting the land from the other government required several years, took 100,000 men willing to go to war, and cost the lives of 25,000 good men out of a total population of 4 million. A similar proportion today would require close to 10 million men willing to leave their families and go to war for the Men’s Nation, and cost close to a quarter of a million deaths. The opposition would be just as fierce, with the current government looting and burning, killing men, women, children, and even shooting our dogs to demoralize and terrorize the new nation of MEN. Certainly Bob does not advocate the violent overthrow of any government despite clearly illegal ongoing violations of its constitution.
What is needed is a new kind of nation, a nation within other nations, a nation dedicated to love and families and a future for men and our children. We need a nation where our daughters can grow up, get married, raise our grandchildren, and live full, rich, wonderful lives. We need a nation where our sons can grow up into valuable men, find decent wives, raise good families, and have full, rich, satisfying lives. We need a nation where real MEN come together to protect and support each other and each other’s families. We need a nation where feminist political crap and lies are ignored or persecuted, where courageous men make war on the feminazi death camps, their SS troops, and their propaganda ministers.
We need a Men’s Nation where men pledge their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to the nation of men. We need a Men’s Nation where courageous men can form action groups that protect the honor and families of men. We need a men’s nation that can explain the facts of life and death to evil cunt licking politicians and their cadres of hired gun thugs.
We need a men’s nation where the rightful place of the husband and father is at the head of the household, where the husband and father has the responsibility and authority to decide what is best for his family. We need a nation where neither the evil lesbitches from CPS nor the lieyers and agents of Satan in black robes of hell can come to take our children without fearing that their wasted lives will soon be over. We need a nation where a man supports his family by providing food at dinnertime and a place for them to sleep, not by paying some evil bitch for destroying his family and taking his children.
Forming new Men’s Nation is not an impossible dream. All it would take is 50 or 100 real MEN of courage and substance who are willing to pledge their lives, their honor, and 10% of their fortune to its creation and continuation. To begin, the Men’s Nation would form a secret meeting, a secret recognition, a secret handshake, a secret initiation, and a public political arm.
The Nation of Men would have to be a new kind of international or transnational political organization, different from current land nations, different from historic secret men’s fraternal groups, different from historic religious organizations and denominations, a new kind of thing. We can model much of our political organization on manly nations of the past, taking good aspects of Romans, Greeks, Vikings, Franks, Celts, and Britons. Men are warriors and poets, lovers and leaders, fathers and sons.
Is it time to begin forming a new Nation of Men and to begin overturning the feminazi domination of the 20th century?
Update
Bob has been informed that this article has been being translated into Hebrew and posted in a web site in Israel. Here is the URL for the Hebrew translation.
Many of Bob's articles are available for MEN to repost. Please request permission and provide URL information when it is reposted. All of Bob's articles are copyright according to US and International law.
[See legal notice at left column.]
Labels: fathers, Men men's rights, men's activism, men's nation, patriarch
posted by Bob | Tuesday, August 07, 2007
15 Comments:
Recruit Larry King.
"Certainly Bob does not advocate the violent overthrow of any government despite clearly illegal ongoing violations of its constitution."
That's where Bob and I differ.
I actually doubt Bob agrees with his own words on this subject, but he risks jail if he says otherwise. The courts have consistently ruled that the first amendment wasn't intended to allow us to say the things Madison said before he wrote it. "Congress shall pass no law abridging..." apparently wasn't a clear enough phrase. In hindsight, Hamilton was clearly right in arguing that enumeration of certain rights would threaten all other rights. But even he couldn't imagine that the rights actually enumerated would become criminalized, while the "right" to murder a child in utero would be created from nothing.
Some serious thoughts here, Bob. But I have considerable doubts that a formally constituted Men's Nation, or whatever structure you might propose, would necessarily work.
Once it was set up, it would immediately be under attack and vulnerable because it would constitute a target. The weakness of any formal organisation is its very formality. If it has a head, then cutting off the head kills the organisation. If it has specific funding, then cutting off the funding has the same effect. If it relies on meetings, then breaking up the meetings can stifle its growth. History is full of examples. Look at how easy it became to destroy the original F4J movement in the UK. All it took was a (probably bogus and very weak) claim in a misandric newspaper, and the structure collapsed overnight. Every structure has its weakest point, and pressure exerted on that weak point brings the whole thing down.
I suggest that a better future lies in individual men taking control of their own lives. They can do all the things you advocate, within their own circle of family, friends and work. They don't need to join formally with other men doing the same; each can be sufficient unto himself. Where bonds with other men of the same mind are made, they can be informal and loose, with nothing depending on them. Then if they are severed, nothing is lost; there are still the same men living the same way in defiance of the machine.
That way, any hostile authority or power simply has no target to aim at. They can't stop the army by killing the general, because there is no general. They can't cut off the supply line, because there is an individual supply line to each soldier, each line too small but collectively too big to cut. They can't engage the army in a set battle, because there is no formation to engage. Just a land teeming with guerrillas, each going his own way and defying them on a personal level. It will be like being overrun with ants - you can kill one or two, or even a hundred; but you can't tackle the whole army coming at you from all directions and never stopping.
Is this not the essence of the MGTOW movement? And is it not an essentially masculine path - not dependent on others, or an organisation; just defining your own life and not letting anyone dictate anything different to you?
So don't marry any woman unless she is pledged to support your concept of family life. Any other type of woman will simply be left on the shelf until she either mends her ways, or dries up and dies. Don't father children out of wedlock, so there will be no fatherless juveniles looking for and finding trouble. Don't rely on the police to sort out your problems; that way lies nothing but misery. Do not invite them into your life; sort out your own problems in your own way, decisively and finally. Ensure your family has the means to support itself from within its own resources, so you have no dependency on the state to provide anything for you, because that is the way they will walk into your life and take it over. Don't let anyone else try to control, teach or nurse your children. If you cannot do that within your own family, why are you having children at all? They must not become creatures of the state, because that is also the way to dependency and slavery.
It goes on the same way in every aspect of your life.
An idea worth pursuing? I think so, and I try to live my life that way. I can't remember the last time I took anything off the state, or felt any desire to. I don't bother with the police if anything bad happens; they are at best useless and at worst a danger to me and mine. So I don't give them a chance to get started on me. I don't use the state medical services. I guess I will have no choice if I get in a bad accident or have a heart attack; but my use of them will be minimal. I don't buy or read papers that have proved themselves full of lies. I don't watch TV programmes that try to tell me that I am inferior because of my sex. I don't buy any products from manufacturers that promote the same message in their advertising. I won't work for any organisation that indulges in the same.
Once you adopt the mentality of self-sufficiency, it is surprising how much strength you can find in yourself, and what a difference it makes to others around you. And how much of the poison you can just shut out of your life.
You might think this is simply not enough, and will never work to rid our nations of the feminazis and state drones that infest the institutions of power. But much of that power is illusory if you simply refuse to recognise it. I have plenty of faith that this works for individuals, and is a very immediate and effective way to escape. At least for the moment it might be all we have. But it might also be the birth of that very nation you call for. It can run parallel to the official one, until it makes it obsolete and is strong enough to just take over.
" while the "right" to murder a child in utero "
Anonymous
August 08, 2007 10:12 PM
* * * * Are you willing to adopt Chinese babies that otherwise would be aborted? Or any unfortunate homeless child from some poor country?
In China, the one child policy means many couples automatically abort baby girls till they "succeed" in getting their boy. Girls that face extinction could be adopted by Bob Allen or Anonymous.
You raise some serious concerns, Paul. The feminazi would undoubtedly target a Nation of Men, and lots of their mangina vassles would try to infiltrate. On some level the Nation of Men would have to be like the Rainbow Gatherings which held gatherings of thousands over several decades without any identifiable leader who could be fined for violation of National Forest camping laws.
There would be lawsuits using the courts to control and dominate like they have done to the KKK and other groups when they didn't like the other men's agendas. The FBI and other criminal agencies would be willing to assault and kill dozens of men, women, and children using internationally banned WMD poison gas like they did at WACO. Even the feminist controlled religoius right would try to destroy the Nation of Men like the Catholic church once did to the Knights Templar.
But even as the forces of feminazi empire alligned against the Nation of Men, individual men could counter attack in ones and twos. The ongoing war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan has clearly demonstrated how ineffective massed troups are against a people who live in the cities and are willing to make sacrifices for the cause. You can't defeat them in a frontal assault, but you could defeat them one evil cunt at a time, one evil mangina at a time.
MGTOW is a big step in the right direction but it doesn't really get our families back from the feminazi laws that allow the woman to call in the Gestappo in blue suits the first hissy fit she has. F4J was defeated because it largely depended on one man and had a top down organization, not a bottom up organizaiton. And never forget that the rule which you cited about organizations being defeated by cutting off the head apploies equally well, or perhaps even more so to the feminazi establishment. Their heads are all public, we know where they live. The war would need to be taken to their front doors, not fought on ours.
Is it a dream who's time has come? Maybe so.
This is all hypothetical of course. An exercise for discussion only.
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Anonymous (August 09, 2007 3:17 PM) said...
"In China, the one child policy means many couples automatically abort baby girls till they "succeed" in getting their boy."
Good for the Chinese, though you exaggerate badly. MEN in other countries should model our families on the Chinese policy that encourages females to kill females instead of boys
Anonymous 3:17 PM-
I couldn't care less about babies born (or not) in China. China can deal with them however they see fit. That's why we have different countries.
I don't think Bob intended this to be a debate about abortion, so I'll drop it. That wasn't my point, anyway. The point was about the complete disregard for the Constitution by "our" government. Free speech, free assembly, gun ownership, trial by jury, and numerous other rights, are specifically protected in the Bill of Rights. They should be the absolute LAST rights to be abridged. Instead, they've all been greatly diminished, while actions not even imagined in Jefferson's time are protected as if demanded by God. We have no "right" to government funded housing, welfare, or food stamps. And the government certainly has no "right" to steal children from their parents, drug them, and put them up for adoption, on an unconfirmed, anonymous, accusation.
The Constitution, the single greatest document to have ever been written, has been relegated to the status of toilet paper. We CAN'T overthrow the legal government of this country. There hasn't been one since 1913, probably earlier.
Paul-
I'm with you, on all counts. Any idea how we can convince another 150 million men to join us?
Bob: thanks for your response, which I respect. There is probably no absolute right or wrong way forward here. We can fight on all fronts, attacking the feminocracy face-on while quietly making it irrelevant and obsolete from the rear. And all methods are legitimate.
Anonymous 3.17pm: How do we convince 150 million men? It is already happening. A few million are on our side already: the ones who have already been royally screwed by feminism and lost their families, homes, jobs, money and freedom.
Movement is slow because there is a huge inertia to overcome, with little obvious outward sign of change. But what encourages me is the way that men are fighting back at grass roots level. We don't get in the news or on TV hardly at all, and we all know the reasons for that. But I note a sea-change in the way that ordinary guys are no longer allowing feminazis to get away unchallenged. There are some discerning men - and women - who are now in the mainstream media and who pick up on new misandric material wherever it appears; and they expose and challenge it. That was not happening 10 years ago.
Also look at articles on the web that invite reader responses. Whenever a feminist pops up with another male-bashing article, there is now a strong response from men who have clearly had enough and have now found their voices - and their weaponry. That was not happening 10 years ago.
I live in the UK where things have been just as bad as in the USA for decades. But I follow some of the mainstream media websites such as the BBC and national papers on-line. And their resident feminists are being hammered in all directions every time they put their head above the parapet. And in huge numbers. As soon as they come up with their predictable anti-male bias, or blame men for any problem, they are buried under hundreds of responses telling them what ignorant and bigoted cows they are. Plenty of women are joining in too. OK it is not a revolution and the feminists are still in place; but they now have bloody noses, the blinkers are being torn off and stuffed into their mouths, and some unthinkable ideas are now being pile-driven into their concrete heads. Those powerful responses have to come from somewhere, and are a clear sign that the great attempt at brainwashing the public is failing. Once a lead is made, others will follow.
Give it time, keep working, and keep the faith.
I agree with what you said bob-- with a slight alteration. I think men should take a page from the feminist movement. The infiltration of the courts and the schools at all levels is where the feminsts really won. Control of schools and courts is key. By the time the current crop of kids graduates from college the majority of people in this country will have grown up with feminism and the accompaning crap that goes with it-- and it gets worse as time goes on -- fewer and fewer older folks. On a side note -- I have heard more and more women (mostly professionals) that are not happy with the status quo and bemoan the fact that they are just not happy with the way things are. One of the biggest indicators of the failure of radical feminism is this feeling. The other hopeful thing that I see is the self destruction of so called free strong independant role models for feminism. Paris ring a bell?
The place to start is with our own children. My son kows fully what is going on-- the things to avoid and how he should raise his children -- and my daughter realizes this as well. It will take decades to repair and replace the damge done in the past 30 years--but only if, not only men but women as well, know and understand what is at stake.
A Men's Nation: Any plans to establish concentration camps for those who will oppose you?
Note to Anonymous: (August 10, 2007 5:59 PM)
Concentration camps are abhorrent to almost everyone. It would be much better to look to positive examples of history such as the French Revolution and Lady G, or to Vikings, Visgoths, Celts, Romans, etc.
Bob - familiar with Lady G's German cousin, the Fallbeil?
Note to Anonymous (August 10, 2007 6:31 PM)
Similar means for the elimination of criminals have been used by various nations and described in their native languages, Deutchland being one of the places.
Deutschland executed many innocent people (like the White Rose members) during the Third Reich.
It's doubtful you'll ever see your dream of a "Men's Nation". You have grandiose visions (like Tom Sawyer playing Pirates) which would evaporate and leave you disillusioned.
Be careful what you wish for. Even if you returned society to the way it was in the Middle Ages (sociologically speaking), a host of new problems would confront you from the get-go.
Good stuff Rob , in solidarity d4j
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