Trolls, Moderation, Men, and Peace
During the past couple of days Bob has been doing some research about the “Manhood Academy” web site. The owners call themselves “Prof Plum.” and LaDice.” Plum has written an epistle he calls “Manhood 101.” They are very young men who are part of the generation of men raised by women. Like many city gang members they are turning to each other trying to figure out how to become men. Like a lot of other insecure young men raised by women they think that being manly has something to do with bullying and being offensive. Bob would be surprised if either of them has ever actually had a conversation with a mature manly man. In some ways they act like LaSalle from MND, full of themselves, full of fight, and ready with their “ban” button when real men speak their minds. Its no wonder that those two got into a flame war with LaSalle.
Lesson to learn: When a boy grows up without a father's love and guidance, he does not learn how to talk to men. If he's lucky, and works at it for another 20 years, he may eventually learn some of what he lost as a child. Some of the lost guidance will never be recovered. Some of what has been lost takes 3 generations to recover from.
UPDATE May 10, 2010
The manginas who run Mens News Daily (MND) and who spun off Spearhead Forum are continuing their attack on Manhood Academy despite the efforts of Bob and other men to suggest a more moderate tone among men. The Men's Movement will not prosper and succeed as long as faux men attack other men for failing to support feminism. And that is really what it is. Mike LaSalle who owns Mens News Daily is a feminist who trolls the Men's Blogospere siphoning off energy while pushing feminist “equality” dogma.
The plain truth in front of everyone is that men are better than females in every field of human endeavor except being female. Men are better at art and literature, better at hunting and gathering, better at protecting and defending, better at reason and thinking, better at music and dance, better at creating and providing, better at guiding families and raising children to be productive adults, better at relationships and understanding of human nature. Mike LaSalle protects and defends the century old feminist lie of “equality” and lately has shown he will attack other men who insist that the plain truth in front of everyone is still true.
Five years ago LaSalle's MND forum, called “The Colosseum” was run by LaSalle's female moderator. LaSalle sold his manhood and his friends for her pussy. It is immoral and just plain stupid to put a cow (called “Navy blue”) in a power position sitting in judgment over the opinion of men in the Men's Movement. Cows should never be in a position to judge men, nor to silence the voice of men. Bob got banned from MND 5 years ago (2005) for objecting to feminist dogma demanded on The Colosseum. Read about it here. LaSalle's bedmate eventually got tired of the unmanly jerk and left him. The Colosseum collapsed because of bad (female) management.
More recently LaSalle hired Paul Elam to run MND, and a new comments section. They spun off The Spearhead Magazine run by Welmer with its own forum section. Both are still owned by LaSalle who is still short a couple of gonads, and still demands allegiance to “equality” feminism.
Elam produced some fairly good U-Tube videos and began making a better name for the cleaned up MND web site. But LaSalle couldn't leave it alone. LaSalle is not content to keep his own little mangina corner of the blogosphere. He has set out to dominate and CONTROL the voices of other men. He picked a flame war with a relatively obscure Men's Blog called “Manhood Academy.” See the original post on this topic below.
Since that was written, it seemed for a time that some peace would be restored, but LaSalle will have none of it. The little mangina cannot stand real men who reject feminism and its hateful dogma. He continues to attack and spew flames. His go-boy Elam did try to apologize and make peace, but Elam's attempts were thwarted by the WND owner who has final control over what gets published on WND and Spearhead.com. These excerpts below show what has been going on. Pay particular attention to LaSalle's vitriolic attack on Manhood Academy.
First Elam posted on Manhood Academy:
Paul Elam Sat May 08, 2010 1:52 pm
Re: Emasculated emo fags like "Angry Harry" lead MRAs
Hey guys, wake up. Everybody bends the truth. It's not that I personally hate you. It's just that if someone gets in my way, I do whatever it takes to smear them. It's nothing personal. I'm just trying to make the MRAs look tough on the internet okay? Geez. Cut me some slack will ya.
Over the past few days Bob continued to suggest peace among men by posting this on MND. LaSalle hit his “ban” button again. He cannot tolerate the voices of real men on MND.
Bob (on WND) 2010-05-09 at 1:29 am
Paul, I see you are making an attempt to begin a peaceful dialog with MA. That is good. Flame wars between men’s web sites is counter productive no matter how “right” you and your Spearhead friend Welmer think your positions are. Personally, I find the MA web site convoluted and confusing, and their “101″ publication so long and boring that I haven’t read it. However they do seem to be making converts to MANLY awareness in ways that have been lacking from MND and others.
No, all Men’s Activists are not going to be on the same page, not ever. That is not the nature of men. What is important is that we are all going generally toward the same direction, toward some kind of recapture of the natural and rightful position of men in our society.
Your friend Welmer has reminded me lately of a 2nd grade kid who brought the football and claimed it gave him authority to make the rules. Even in 2nd grade the boys put a stop to that pretty quick. And sure, we could all go get our own football, but we kids knew that getting enough kids together to play a game required us all to get along — even as we competed with each other to be the winner. Often you can only “win” by giving up and getting along with the other men.
There is a place in the Men’s Movement for hard edge advocacy. Maybe its overdue. If you can’t support them, at least get out of the way. Men need to cooperate, not fight each other.
Here is what LaSalle posted on Manhood Academy.
Mike LaSalle Sun May 09, 2010 9:50 am
Small boy from Nigeria
Joined: Sun May 09, 2010 9:45 am
The position you guys apparently advocate — that one sex is intrinsically better than the other — puts you at the extreme edge of social discourse.
And you compel a response.
No right thinking person would assert that men should assume property rights over women and children — as you apparently do. That’s insane. It’s repulsive. It’s the signature of a warped mind and an empty soul.
I condemn you clowns at the “manhood academy” without hesitation.
Anyone who supports you does not belong to the MRAs.
Mike LaSalle Sun May 09, 2010 9:58 am
Small boy from Nigeria
Joined: Sun May 09, 2010 9:45 am
You are my enemies! I will fight you to the very end!
Original Article, May 7, 2010
An open letter to Welmer of The Spearhead
Trolls, Moderation, Men, and Peace
Sent: Fri May 07, 2010 7:20 am
From: Bob Knows
Men are concerned about The Spearhead on other men's forums such as MGTOW, my blog comments, and other places. Some say you are "losing it." From reading your recent discussions it seems a lot like you have gotten a little lost, and overwhelmed by it all.
I thought I would try to help you with some experience and suggestions.
First, you are trying too hard, and its overwhelming you. Relax a little. Relax a lot. I suggest that you go over to Chris Key's forum, Mens Rights Online and see how Chris is doing. He uses a VERY LIGHT hand. It takes little of his time. And he has not had the kind of problems you have gotten yourself into lately.
The big thing is NOT to try to own and control the voices of men, even when many men don't share your opinions or perspective. Men don't take well to ownership or control. Yes, its your forum, but trying to control the opinion is way too much work for any man, and all it does is to drive the best men away to other venues. Good men stand their ground and own their own positions.
The next thing, related to the big thing, is not to try to censor out misogyny. Many men have had very bad experiences with mothers, wives, feminists, etc., and are not going to shut up about it. Yes, the feminist will scream, and well they should. In the past two years feminists have created two parody blogs slandering The World According to Bob, but I take it as a compliment that feminists find me offensive. My blog is all about promoting what is good for MEN, not what pleases feminists. A forum can be good for men, or please feminists, but not both.
Bob censors out misandry, not misogyny. You have to decide which is the focus of Spearhead, men or feminism. If you run a men's discussion "with a hard edge" then let the hard ass men have their say, and to heck with the feminists who don't like it.
I really don't know about that "Manhood 101" site. I've just started reading it to see what they are about. I would suggest though, that you tone down your attacks on them, even if you don't agree with their view on many issues such as domination and submission. A war between men's web sites is not good for any men. They will stand their ground too, and I respect that as a manly behavior.
Lastly, about MikeeUSA. Mikee is not a "troll." A "troll" is someone who posts contentious argument for the purpose of disruption or creating argument. (see Urban Dictionary.com for definition) A "troll" often does not believe the post, and the troll changes it to disrupt as needed. That's not Mikee.
Mikee is a man who has a strong opinion, and stands his ground about it. He has posted his belief on many web sites over several years, and argued his position with me and most other men who have been on line for a while. He posts his opinion because he believes his opinion, not because he is trying to disrupt. Mikee stands by his beliefs even if it gets him banned from many web sites, and even when it got the free software community to delete several years of his work. Even though I disagree with his opinions, I respect him for standing his ground in the face of adversity. That's a manly thing to do.
To sum up, here is good advice. 1. Lighten up. Don't work so hard. 2. Allow men, even hurt men, to have a say. The "ban" button should be only used against men out of desperation, not for differing opinion. 3. Everyone who has a different opinion from you or me is not a "troll." 4. Let the MEN speak, but watch out for infiltrating feminist shaming tactics that try to silence men.
Spearhead is a really good idea with a really good beginning. I can see that its overwhelming you. I offered to help moderate but never got a reply, then I got banned after you got into an argument with some other guy. Step back. Calm down. Relax. And don't work so hard. Let the men have their say. You don't need to police them or argue with them. It doesn't need to be that hard.
And most of all Have Fun.