The MGM discussion came out of a previous discussion called "I hate doctors" in which Dr. Maurice found that so many angry people hate doctors because of MGM that he started a separate forum for that topic.
There is a congressional bill introduced every year to extend the current prohibition on FGM to include the torture and sexual mutilation of boys. Dr. Maurice includes a copy of the text of that proposed legislation on his web site.
It is an ongoing conversation with many contributions. Bob has written several comments for the discussion. Some of them are repeated below for Bob's loyal readers, along with one of Dr. Maurice's responses. Despite all the angry people who hate doctors for MGM, Dr. Maurice continues to call the angry mob "pathological" for their anger about MGM and doctors who hurt children. If you feel strongly that the sexual maiming of little boys has to be stopped before the next child is violated, perhaps you should give the Jewish doctor Maurice a piece of your mind. Here are a couple of things that Bob has added to their conversation:
At Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:59:00 AM, Bob said...
From AMA, American Medical News, Vol 39, No 40, dated October, 1996. The article contained the following quote:
John C. Nelson, MD, AMA Trustee.
I wholeheartedly agree with the wisdom of this statement, but can not for the life of me resolve the abject hypocrisy that it represents. Upon comparing this dictum to the million and a third of boys who are mutilated by members of the AMA every year, I find their sincerity very, very hard to comprehend. Perhaps men/boys are not “any group of patients?” In the very misandrist eyes of the AMA and it's members, a hundred million sexually mutilated men and boys do not rise to the level of "any group of patients."
Perhaps saving boys/men from genital mutilation is not humanitarian because we are not even people?
I wrote to the AMA Medical News editor and to Dr. Nelson in 1996 asking why men don't rise to the level of "any group of patients." I got no answer. Their misandry is so deep that a hundred million sexually mutilated men are completely overlooked. To the misandrist AMA, only women are human.
At Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:14:34 AM, Bob said...
In fact it was Jewish doctors who were largely responsible for the evil of promoting massive universal sexual mutilation of little boys in the USA. During W.W.II the Nazis identified Jews by their sexual mutilations, but some American Christians had been sexually mutilated so some European Jews claimed to be Americans to escape the Nazis.
After that war and the widely published horror about the Nazi Holocaust, American Jewish doctors campaigned hard for universal sexual mutilation of boys/men so that Jews could not be sorted out. Many Jewish doctors sought out membership on medical committees and then claimed to be reviewing medical information while they in fact were promoting anti-men violence for personal reasons. The Jews promoted decades of lies and deceit in the medical community over the maimed bodies of a hundred million American boys and men. One can understand their fear of the Holocaust, but it does not excuse their own leadership and participation in the sexual horrors being perpetrated against a hundred million helpless little children. In fear of the Nazi Holocaust, American Jewish doctors created one of their own.
Yes, a small percentage of American men were being sexually mutilated prior to WW II, but it was a very long way from the universal "routine" practice promoted by the Jewish medical community after the war. Jewish doctors like Maurice love to look the other way and pretend that they are having a rational discussion of the horror of child mutilation. The blame needs to be laid where it belongs, right at their Jewish child abusing feet.
Ancient religious sacrifice is not an excuse to torture and maim children. Ritual sacrifice of children should have been left in the past many generations ago. Barbaric ritual sacrifice is not tolerated for female children regardless of religion, as Dr. Nelson and the AMA points out, see Bob's previous post. Instead of promoting massive sexual torture of a hundred million innocent little boys, Jewish doctors should have demanded that all forms of Holocaust be ended. They became as guilty as those they feared.
At Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:12:15 PM, Bob said...
One of the huge reasons why the AMA, the AAP, and their members haven't admitted that MGM is serious violent sexual child abuse is the matter of civil liability. Like sexually mutilated fathers these organizations and their member would face psychological and financial consequences if they had to admit malpractice. Psychologically an individual doctor would have to admit doing serious psychosexual violent crimes against hundreds of children. But financially is where the real resistance comes. If the medical community ever admits the obvious and acknowledges that MGM is sexual child abuse they could be subject to a class action suit or suits by every victim. Malpractice suits are already a large concern in the medical business, but nothing they have ever experienced would be on this scale or cost. In the US there are something like a hundred million sexually mutilated men and boys. If I were on the jury I would think that something like a million dollars for each victim might be adequate compensation, but trial lawyers could ask for much more. Even at a modest million dollars per victim, there are so many victims that the psychosexual perverts who hack up children, together with their hospitals and insurance companies could end up owing a hundred trillion dollars to their victims. That much debt would break them all.
The financial liability for a century of deliberate malpractice done to little children is staggering. They can't afford to admit their mistakes. So they try to bury their mistakes like all doctors do. Only this time they bury the mistake by continuing the lies. Denying that it was a mistake means that they have to keep pretending their lie, that it is "good" for the sexually mutilated children and men. Instead of ethics they choose the money. Even the term "bioethics" has become an oxymoron.
And the violent bloody sexual mutilation of helpless little children goes on and on.
Doctor's heal thyselves!
At Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:16:00 PM, Bob said...
You are right that the MDs are on the front lines of "child abuse." They are on the front lines in more ways than one. MDs are required to report injuries that appear to be child abuse, but the violence they do to children are excluded.
There are two kinds of child abuse, reportable child abuse and actual child abuse. What doctors report are the reportable child abuse. But the laws generally exclude medical treatment by a licensed physician so they ignore all the child abuse done by doctors. It's actual child abuse, but it's not reportable child abuse (as long as it actually is done for medical treatment). When a doctor hurts a child and it is not actual medical treatment, then it is actual child abuse whether or not the doctor wants it reported or not.
In the State of Florida, for example, sexual child abuse resulting in permanent injury to the child's sex organs is a death penalty crime. The law excludes bona-fide medical treatment. However there is a very serious question whether sexual mutilation of a healthy normal child is medical treatment at all. In common medical definitions medical treatment has to be done as the result of an illness or injury. Medical treatment does not include actions by a doctor unrelated to an illness or injury. For example, an OBGYN is prevented from doing penile insertion into a healthy female patient and calling it medial treatment. If the medical business were ever forced to admit that hacking up the sex organs of healthy normal little children is not medical treatment, a bunch of Florida doctors could be in a world of legal trouble. A parent's consent does not constitute either medical treatment or justification for child abuse. In my opinion, the doctors who hack up the sex organs of healthy normal little children for money, or for psychosexual perversion, all ought to be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law. Sexual child abuse with permanent physical injury to the child is a very serious crime. A white coat does not change it at all.
Doctors heal thyselves!
At Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:33:48 AM, Bob said...
This discussion reminds me of the fictional work "120 Days" by Marquis de Sade. In his fiction psychosexual perverts hacked up the sex organs of children for their own demented gratification. For his evil fiction, de Sade was sent to prison where he spent the rest of his tormented life.
There are some real difference between the horrors discussed on this forum and the evil that de Sade wrote about.
The big difference is that de Sade's characters were fiction. These evil perpetrators are real and the screams of the mutilated little children are real.
In 120 Days, de Sade's characters kidnapped children and hid them away in a castle to avoid public knowledge of their demented acts. Even the twisted mind of de Sade couldn't imagine such evil being done with public knowledge. But today they openly hack up little children's sex organs and pretend that it's acceptable. They have "polite, civil" discussions about evil that two centuries ago couldn’t' be openly written in fiction without the author being sent to prison.
In 120 Days, de Sade's characters hacked up the sex organs of a few dozen children. Today they sexually mutilate children by the millions.
I am left wondering. If writing the fictional account of sexual torment and mutilation of children is a crime that decent society punishes by sending the author to prison, what should the punishment be for the abject evil that openly performs the horrors of the fiction?
Here is Dr. Maurice's reply:
At Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:45:45 AM, Maurice Bernstein, M.D. said...
To those visitors who have asked me to engage in discussion about aspects of the male circumcision issue, I thank them for their request but I have to decline. I must admit that in my entire medical career, male circumcision was not a medical or social issue in my thinking or my practice. I have never performed circumcision and more importantly for some on this thread, I have never ever recommended circumcision. Further, this thread on my blog was not started by me but started by other visitors on the “I hate doctors” thread.
With regard to the issue of male circumcision, as yet, I have no opinion one way or the other. I am still trying to learn the facts by those writing to my blog. I therefore have nothing to contribute to the issue itself at this point.
Nevertheless, I can say that I find the very manner of expression of views by some of my visitors is of such a character to turn off rather than turn on other visitors, including myself. (You don’t forcefully pound someone over the head with your arguments and expect them to remain conscious.) As a physician long in practice, I see an almost pathologic fervor and anger expressed by some of my visitors on the topic. If this represents a daily expression in their private lives as well as here on the blog, I worry for them about their social relationships and personal medical health. Such chronic long-standing anger is not at all healthy in terms of mental health and cardiovascular disease as examples. I would give the following medical advice: “cool it!” ..Maurice.
And then Bob said:
At Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:51:48 AM, Bob said...
Dear Dr. Maurice,
You said, "As a physician long in practice, I see an almost pathologic fervor and anger expressed by some of my visitors on the topic."
You blame the victims of the abject horror of sexual mutilation for their anger. You look the other way and pretend that the evil sexual crimes against children are something to "make up my mind" about. You are the one who fails the test of civility, of compassion, and even of reality. Your comment is an example of the kind of callous disregard for real people and real suffering that is why so many people hate doctors. Whether you hold the knife yourself or merely look the other way while your colleague hacks up another child is irrelevant. You are part of the medical establishment and share their collective crime.
It's not the many angry people who are the problem, Doctor. It is the violent sexual child abusers who are the problem. They, the ones who hurt little children for sick sexual gratification and money, are the ones with dangerous pathological problems who need the psychological reassignment. They are the reason for the anger by decent people. They are the criminals who have hurt so many. And you, Dr., by your cavalier attitude and "I haven't made up my mind" crapola about massive medical malpractice are PART OF THE PROBLEM!
In almost half a century of angry men talking nice and polite to the medical business you doctors have closed your ears and turned your backs and continued the massive crimes against children.
In almost half a century of organized groups asking politely for the violence done to children to be ended, you doctors have ignored every one and continued the evil child abuse. You "haven't made up my mind" while the children scream and the money keeps pouring in.
No, doctor, your studied indifference to the screams of the children and the angry shouts of decent people have gone unheard far too long. The time for you to listen politely and clean up your own profession is over. It's time for decent citizens to take action, violent action if necessary, to clean up the feasting filth and stop your horror show against our children.
After almost half a century of being nice, being polite, and being totally ignored, many decent people are no longer going to be nice with your kind of Holocaust against children. It is time for decent people to make you and your kind change. Evil that feeds on the tortured flesh of children can not be allowed to continue. That kind of tormented evil does not deserve to live on the streets with decent human beings. They must be eradicated to save our children.
Maybe thirty years in the slammer or a nice tight rope will get your attention. Polite words certainly have not and will not.