Something doesn't add up with the Holocaust.
Last night I was flipping channels and came across the History Channel doing a piece about Nazi occupation of Rome and Catholic opposition to rounding up Jews for extermination. Included with the discussion were views of old standard file photos of starving emaciated death camp survivors and starved bodies piled like cordwood. It reminded me of a question that has been gnawing at the back of my thinking for years. All my life we have been told that the Nazis had "death camps" where they exterminated trainloads of Jews by sending them to gas chambers and crematoriums. The photos of bodies and emaciated corpse-like survivors are widely distributed and hauled out by organizations like the History Channel quite frequently. But something doesn't add up with the official story. Old photos of Auchwitz, Dachau, and similar places show long rows of barracks where hundreds of thousands of Jews were held prisoner for months or years. Indeed there were gas chambers and crematoriums, but why build so many acres of barracks holding hundreds of thousands if the function of the place is just to exterminate them? The Germans are industrious and efficient if they are anything. If they intended to simply exterminate and cremate the Jews they would not have needed barracks for hundreds of thousands. Something else was going on. Were lower members of the Nazi officer corps thwarting the plans by diverting hundreds of thousands to prisons instead of gas chambers? Were they unable to construct crematoriums sufficient to cope with the numbers, but were able to construct barracks for hundreds of thousands of prisoners and provide guards for them? Not likely. The existence of huge fields of barracks for hundreds of thousands of prisoners belies the official claim that these places were simply extermination centers. Bob doesn't know what the truth is, but the photos don’t add up with the official, politically correct story. I think it took me more than 40 years of seeing those photos to figure out that something was wrong with what we were being told. You don't build prisons for hundreds of thousands of prisoners in order to run an extermination gas chamber and crematorium. Now I wonder what the truth was?
posted by Bob | Saturday, April 22, 2006
15 Comments:
Bob, you're on to something that I don't think has been discussed before. I've been following the holocaust hoax for a long time, but your question is very much to the point on a matter that never occurred to me before.
I'd be interested to see other points of view.
My personal view is that Elie Wiesel is a weasel, a liar and a piece of shit. Simon Wiesenthal (may he not rest in peace) was an opportunistic fraud who, like Wiesel, climbed over the corpses of millions of dead people of whatever faith and nationality to make money and achieve "fame".
Probably it will take another fifty years before the truth is out and I certainly won't be around, but sooner or later, the truth will be known.
Pete
I aggree with Bob's observations and question the whole story about the holocaust also. Are there any informations and date available on: The number of Crematoriums in each camp; How many burning chambers in each crematorium; how long does it take to cremate an average sized human cadaver in those furnaces to ashes, femur and other large bones exepted, those bones are normally crushed when the ashes are removed from the furnace;
horizontal gas retorts ( to make town gas) are included in the number of Crematoriums,
The average death
rate in civil high security prisons per week/month/year/ under normal conditions also the average deathrate under conditions when typhoid, other diseases and illnesses common 1940 -1945 and undernourishment was a common situation. What was the deathrate in German - British - American high security prisons during the period we are talking about.
Hello Bob,
I agree with both you and the poster below.
The holocaust- The Story and Film-is a medis tool, nothing more.
http://www.edwardvictor.com/Holocaust/Images/Auschwitz2_PC_5_1.jpg
Guess what is that!? It's a postcard from Auschwitz written by a Jew!
I saw part of that History Channel piece, but couldn't stand to watch as the official and libellous lies were trotted out one more time.
I found out about the fraud in 2002(and it's a TOTAL fraud, even to the fact that Germany did not want war but was forced into it by the same three entities doing the Middle East Rhumba now: Britain, the USA, and rich and powerful Zionists who basically pull the strings of the first two).
Israel's agression in the West Bank in the spring of 2002 caused me to look on the web for what the true situation was, and after I found out how false the Israeli version of their history had been (as exposed by recently-released Israeli government documents)I started tracing the lies back to Europe, the Second World War and the First World War. WWI, too, as it turns out, was perpetrated—not coincidentally—by the same three entities as WWII and the now-looming WWIII.
You can see, I think, once you are aware that the same allies have perpetrated these mass murders again and again, that it would behoove everyone who doesn't want war to learn more about the true history of those earlier conflicts.
An easy place to start is with the website http://ihr.org, the Institute of Historical Review. They have a lot of information on their site, but they also have links to many other sites that contain important information.
Because of the difficulty of getting such information out, and because those who put it out are motivated by a desire, not for money, but for truth, several excellent scholarly, footnoted books are available free on the internet, as well as many scholarly articles.
Wow Bob. Free thinking and the "holocaust" doesn't work well together, I have noticed that myself.
Now I read everything I can get my hands on, including books written by "holocaust deniers", then I compare with the stories of "holocaust eyewitnesses", many of whom survived SEVERAL so-called "death camps" [how on earth is that possible??]. My conclusion after spending a lot of time with the issue is that the Germans did not have a policy of extermination nor did they have any "gas chambers", if you disregard those massive delousing chambers and disinfection stations - but those were built so as to save the life of countless of people.
Check out these books:
http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html
Be sure to read some standard "holocaust" book first and then compare. I am sure most people were forced to read about it in school, so we all have the basic knowledge already, although the story seems to be changing at fast paces each year...
In many European countries, Bob, free thinking and the holocaust equals jail.
Well, your *first* problem is the assumption that only Jews were sent to camps, and the second is that Auschwitz was actaully a *complex* of camps with various purposes, only one of which was dedicated to death. Or are you unaware of those who were forced into performing slave labour in support of the Nazi war machine?
"Old photos of Auchwitz, Dachau, and similar places show long rows of barracks where hundreds of thousands of Jews were held prisoner for months or years."
No shit, Sherlock?
Dachau WAS NOT extermination camp. It was just concentration camp, it was not build to kill. An Auschwitz had many camps, Auschwitz I was concentration camp, Auschwitz II (aka Auschwitz-Birkenau) was the extermination camp with gas chambers and Auschwitz III (aka Monowitz) was labour camp.
Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Madjanek and Chelmno were pure extermination camps. Contrary to Auschwitz, for example Treblinka was not much more than a railway station and gas chambers. It had very small living camp for guards and jews who would do the cremating of bodies.
Bob: You're experience of visceral doubt with regard to the Holocaust story, without substantial research into the matter, rings a bell for me. I had the same experience many years ago. Out of the blue. I would suggest that you reconsider using the figure "hundreds of thousands" the way you do. No one suggests that camp populations were of that magnitude.
Bradley Smith www.codoh.com
Not taking sides here, but couldn't this have been easy to verify just by asking eyewitnesses at the scene (German officers, camp guards, prisoners, etc.)? How come nobody came forward from the German side to dispute the existence of these "death camps"?
This is a perfect example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. I'd suggest doing a little more substantial research into the Holocaust before you post your...uhm..."according to Bob" expose of the "hoax."
Even an elementary knowledge of the German camp system would account for all of the "inconsistencies" that you, and other Holocaust deniers, persistently see popping up in primary sources from the Shoah.
As a libertarian that doesn't feel the need to deny the Holocaust in order to affirm my beliefs, I am heartily ashamed.
Note to Bill: Nobody is denying "The Holocaust" but it's been way overplayed for half a century, for political reasons. Many more Russians were killed than Jews, and Chinese too. Most of two generations of the best men in England died in two successive wars. I think it's time to stop attacking anyone who questions the obvious errors in the Holocaust stories and start presenting a factual perspective, and in proportion to the other destruction caused by the same war. The more Jews act like arrogant assholes, the more one can sympathize with the way they were treated in many European countries for many hundred years. The Nazis weren't all that different from late 15th century Spain under King Ferdanand, for example. But go on, act like an arrogant asshole and call people names for asking questions.
Hi Bob
They were "Work Camps" and if you didn't work or refused to work and/or were sick then they didn't waste food or time on you..
I just finished a book written by a jewish reporter from New York who was behind German lines during WWII. He was amazed on the large number of jews who committed suicide in Austria..
The big question here is why would they commit suicide? What did they know? Or even more interesting is what did they do to the Germans to be so scared?
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, this is just to respond to your response to my response. Unless you want you, you need not post it on your site.
The only person "name-calling" here is you, Bob. You called me an "arrogant asshole," because I situated your interpretation of the Holocaust with "Holocaust Deniers" (also known as "reductionists," "negationists," and "revisionists")--which is precisely where it belongs, given your rhetoric. And you claim that I'm the one "name-calling," when I never used an offensive epithet. How very unfair.
You're also changing the subject here, Bob. I addressed your misinterpretation of primary sources (namely, photographic) of the Holocaust. Your response attempted to claim that I was just trying to "attack you" for asking questions. Nope, I was answering your questions. It's clear you didn't like the answers. Well, prove me wrong, then--don't just shout about how you're being "victimized" because I disagree with you.
And don't change the realm of the debate. No one is trying to minimize the suffering of non-Jewish victims of the war in preference to the Jews. The war--and, indeed, the Holocaust--was a crime with many victims and many perpetrators. The vast majority of Holocaust historians, survivors, and commentators have never neglected that fact, or attempted to shift attention from other groups onto the Jews. On the contrary, Holocaust deniers (revisionists, reductionists, whatever euphemism is used) have made careers out of disenginuously shifting attention away from the Jews for purely ideological reasons.
I've got to disagree with Bill the Jewish propagandists have done their best to divert attention away from non-Jewish victims of the holocaust and they have done this unashameably. This lie is being perpetuated by the fact that a lot of Jews own most of the old media and they do everything they can to carry on their perpetual victimhood.
Masculist Man
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