What Women Really Want
Barefoot and Pregnant. Or, at least pregnant with babies. What women really want it to get married, to get laid, to get pregnant, to get babies, and to raise children. It's built into their biology, and despite a century and a half of feminist opposition to marriage and making babies, they have never managed to take the female out of the womyn.
This week we saw how 16 year old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. Jamie is the young sister of pop star Britney Spears. Getting pregnant is what young women do. Despite her fame, fortune, and stardom on Nickelodeon's made for teenage twits series, “Zoey 101,” what Ms. Jamie really wants is what every young female really wants, a baby. Read story
For millions of years, since long before our tree swinging foremohers and fathers swung down out of the trees and started walking on two feet, all of our foremohers have been growing up and getting pregnant by their early teenage years. Even at that, human female take much longer to mature than females of virtually every other mammalian species. When you cut through all the propagnada, misandry, feminist dogma, and really look at young females, what you see are biologically adult women fully ready to become wives and mothers. Despite the obvious physical facts that are plainly in front of everyone, feminist PC speech makes the society deny the obvious while harming all young men and women.
Today's feminazi society opposes marriage and families, and tells young females that they should avoid marriage until their biological baby making years are failing. Feminazi have opposed marriage since the Seneca Falls Conference in 1848. They see marriage as “sleeping with the enemy.” Their feminist lesbian schoolmarms teach young girls that their goal in life should be to continue to get a man's “education” and indoctrination instead of choosing to be a wife and mother. The feminazi claim to promote responsible choice and freedom for females, but they have made it a crime for young females to choose to be a mother and wife.
Despite all the feminazi hate propaganda aimed at destroying the lives of young females and men, they can not change biology. Young females WANT babies deep in their bodies. Their raging hormones WANT to be pregnant, to have a husband, get laid, and raise babies. When feminist trained parents prevent them from becoming a wife and having a baby when they are biologically ready, most teenage females become irrational, cause massive fights with parents. Any feminist trained parent who has tried to force a daughter into the false anti-female feminist life of “education” and a man's career knows that it is very difficult to fight natural biological needs.
According to published reports, Ms. Jamie Spears was living with her 18 year old boyfriend, playing house though not officially married. She was getting laid to get a baby, what every 16 year old female really wants deep down inside.
Since feminazi and their mangina lackeys in government have made it illegal for young females to marry, and oppressively penalized for men of any age to marry, we now have almost half of all children in the US being born to single mothers, and most of the rest ending up in divorced single mother homes. The millions of bastards and separated children will have much more difficulty growing up than do children in decent families. It is a massive tragedy unprecedented in human history.
Even most of those who claim to be “anti-feminist, such as radio advice personality Dr. Laura, promote the feminist anti-female dogma. Dr. Laura advises young females to avoid marriage until their late 20s, after their primary biological breeding years are over. Studies have shown that female fertility starts to decline after age 26 and declines rapidly after age 30, but Dr. Laura tells females to avoid marriage and bearing children until their fertility is already declining. According to Dr. Laura, young females form deep life long emotional bonds with the man who gives them a baby, and she says that is a reason for females to avoid marriage until their natural ability to form deep emotional bonds has passed. Can anything possibly be more wrong, or more stupid? Can any advice possibly hurt more men, women, and children.
It takes young females a couple of decades to figure out that the crapola their feminist trained parents and teachers gave them is not the life they really want. Thousands of Fertility Clinics now operate in every major city as hundreds of thousands of older females desperately try to have the baby they were forced to postpone during the years when they could have had one easily. The Fertility Clinics take in billions of dollars that parents could be using to support their children, and worse, their whole existence is predicated on the feminazi program of opposing marriage and families and outlawing marriage for females of biological child bearing age.
What females really want, deep down in their bodies where emotions and fulfillment lie, is to get married, get laid, get pregnant, get babies, and have a good family with children growing up. That is what provides the kind of deep emotional satisfaction that nothing else can provide. All the “education,” and so-called “achievement” at men's careers only ends at an empty lonely house, with no children, no grandchildren, and no future.
Young females like Jamie Spears who are allowed to make their own choices in life, will choose to get laid and get a baby. She would have rather been married to have a stable home to raise her baby. And, in many human cultures, making a baby together is “married” because that is the meaning of marriage. Instead of forcing young females to avoid marriage and having to deal with millions of bastards being raised by single mother homes, our society very badly needs to tell the feminazi to pound sand. We badly need to return to creating decent normal marriages and families for your young men and women. It's what women really want. It's what men really want. It's what parents really want for their daughters, and should help their daughters accomplish.
A daughter who marries and makes her babies when she's biologically ready, at around age 14 to 16, will be a grandmother in her 30s when feminazi are still rushing to fertility clinics. She will then have several decades to get a PhD education and career without the social pressure and emotional drives to make babies. She can have it all, but only if she is encouraged to follow her biological needs and do things in the order that biology allows. Tell the feminazi to pound sand. And help young females like Jamie Spears and a million others to have a good, rich, fulfilled life with a husband and family.
This week we saw how 16 year old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. Jamie is the young sister of pop star Britney Spears. Getting pregnant is what young women do. Despite her fame, fortune, and stardom on Nickelodeon's made for teenage twits series, “Zoey 101,” what Ms. Jamie really wants is what every young female really wants, a baby. Read story
For millions of years, since long before our tree swinging foremohers and fathers swung down out of the trees and started walking on two feet, all of our foremohers have been growing up and getting pregnant by their early teenage years. Even at that, human female take much longer to mature than females of virtually every other mammalian species. When you cut through all the propagnada, misandry, feminist dogma, and really look at young females, what you see are biologically adult women fully ready to become wives and mothers. Despite the obvious physical facts that are plainly in front of everyone, feminist PC speech makes the society deny the obvious while harming all young men and women.
Today's feminazi society opposes marriage and families, and tells young females that they should avoid marriage until their biological baby making years are failing. Feminazi have opposed marriage since the Seneca Falls Conference in 1848. They see marriage as “sleeping with the enemy.” Their feminist lesbian schoolmarms teach young girls that their goal in life should be to continue to get a man's “education” and indoctrination instead of choosing to be a wife and mother. The feminazi claim to promote responsible choice and freedom for females, but they have made it a crime for young females to choose to be a mother and wife.
Despite all the feminazi hate propaganda aimed at destroying the lives of young females and men, they can not change biology. Young females WANT babies deep in their bodies. Their raging hormones WANT to be pregnant, to have a husband, get laid, and raise babies. When feminist trained parents prevent them from becoming a wife and having a baby when they are biologically ready, most teenage females become irrational, cause massive fights with parents. Any feminist trained parent who has tried to force a daughter into the false anti-female feminist life of “education” and a man's career knows that it is very difficult to fight natural biological needs.
According to published reports, Ms. Jamie Spears was living with her 18 year old boyfriend, playing house though not officially married. She was getting laid to get a baby, what every 16 year old female really wants deep down inside.
Since feminazi and their mangina lackeys in government have made it illegal for young females to marry, and oppressively penalized for men of any age to marry, we now have almost half of all children in the US being born to single mothers, and most of the rest ending up in divorced single mother homes. The millions of bastards and separated children will have much more difficulty growing up than do children in decent families. It is a massive tragedy unprecedented in human history.
Even most of those who claim to be “anti-feminist, such as radio advice personality Dr. Laura, promote the feminist anti-female dogma. Dr. Laura advises young females to avoid marriage until their late 20s, after their primary biological breeding years are over. Studies have shown that female fertility starts to decline after age 26 and declines rapidly after age 30, but Dr. Laura tells females to avoid marriage and bearing children until their fertility is already declining. According to Dr. Laura, young females form deep life long emotional bonds with the man who gives them a baby, and she says that is a reason for females to avoid marriage until their natural ability to form deep emotional bonds has passed. Can anything possibly be more wrong, or more stupid? Can any advice possibly hurt more men, women, and children.
It takes young females a couple of decades to figure out that the crapola their feminist trained parents and teachers gave them is not the life they really want. Thousands of Fertility Clinics now operate in every major city as hundreds of thousands of older females desperately try to have the baby they were forced to postpone during the years when they could have had one easily. The Fertility Clinics take in billions of dollars that parents could be using to support their children, and worse, their whole existence is predicated on the feminazi program of opposing marriage and families and outlawing marriage for females of biological child bearing age.
What females really want, deep down in their bodies where emotions and fulfillment lie, is to get married, get laid, get pregnant, get babies, and have a good family with children growing up. That is what provides the kind of deep emotional satisfaction that nothing else can provide. All the “education,” and so-called “achievement” at men's careers only ends at an empty lonely house, with no children, no grandchildren, and no future.
Young females like Jamie Spears who are allowed to make their own choices in life, will choose to get laid and get a baby. She would have rather been married to have a stable home to raise her baby. And, in many human cultures, making a baby together is “married” because that is the meaning of marriage. Instead of forcing young females to avoid marriage and having to deal with millions of bastards being raised by single mother homes, our society very badly needs to tell the feminazi to pound sand. We badly need to return to creating decent normal marriages and families for your young men and women. It's what women really want. It's what men really want. It's what parents really want for their daughters, and should help their daughters accomplish.
A daughter who marries and makes her babies when she's biologically ready, at around age 14 to 16, will be a grandmother in her 30s when feminazi are still rushing to fertility clinics. She will then have several decades to get a PhD education and career without the social pressure and emotional drives to make babies. She can have it all, but only if she is encouraged to follow her biological needs and do things in the order that biology allows. Tell the feminazi to pound sand. And help young females like Jamie Spears and a million others to have a good, rich, fulfilled life with a husband and family.
Labels: age of marriage, Dr. Laura, family, Jamie Lynn Spears, marriage, what women really want
posted by Bob | Thursday, December 20, 2007
63 Comments:
Not all women want babies, especially at age 16. Nor are they ready to care for another human life. Even if a girl produces a baby, usually somebody else gets stuck supporting the helpless infant.
Better to wait till adulthood to assume adult responsibilities. Bob can believe we are all just animals, but that is dangerously naive.
Bob have you thought through all the problems encountered by FORCING girls to marry at ~14?
Note to anonymous;
Your feminazi leap to "forcing" is laughable. What is happening now is that feminism is FORCING young women to avoid marriage and family and attend "education" and then have a career. They are legally FORCED to avoid marriage and family8.
Bob advocates an end to "FORCING" young women into a life they don't want, and to allow them to have a good situation for the babies that so many of them do anyway. Having bastard babies at 14 or 16 is a huge problem. ALLOWING young women to have a nice marriage and family at an age when women have done so for millions of years is a boon.
What worked in primitive times no longer works (though it still prevails in primitive countries). Give girls a chance to marry legally at 14? Interesting - let's see how it works as opposed to how many quick divorces would ensue. Most important, give everyone a CHOICE between ancient style early marriage, and education/career.
Good job Bob. Women weren't created to lust after men's jobs. Women cannot have it all. The other day I was thinking of all the crimes feminism has committed against humanity. I believe that the most prominent, big shot feminists should be lynched before a world-wide audience. Nazi war criminals had more scruples than today's feminists. Imagine the murder of 50 million babies because of abortion. The destruction of the family is the worst crime in history. Feminists have a record of crime that's a mile long. But the masses still fall for the equal rights bull that feminists use when someone turns up the heat on their worthless butts. Seriously, I say we should lynch them.
Here is an interesting related article by a female who has figured out how destructive feminism is for women. A man's education and career just doesn't satisfy.
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World wide the figure is closer to one billion babies sacrificed to the Goddess of Feminism. The fact is that young Women are engaging in sex, and many want to get pregnant. The reality is that biology trumps stupidity and Political Correctness.
The Lesbian led feminist Movement is working against the interests of Women. Dr. Miriam Grossman a Psychologist at UCLA Medical Center has written about the effects that the PC nonsense is having on Young Women.
They want a loving relationship. They are settling for casual Sex. And many of them have depression and severe mental health issues as a result. The Hooking Up culture, Friends with benefits has serious negative side effects.
The Drug Gardasil is being given to our Children to protect them from Cancer. It is ineffective and potentially dangerous experiment. That will enrich a Drug Company. This is madness. We are drugging Millions of our Boys. Making them suicidal and psychotic due to Feminists in our Schools. And to enrich the bottom line of the Drug Industry.
Have no fear.
Women have babies well into their 30s, 40s even 50s. That is really a shame as it keeps everybody on edge. People don't want constant child-bearing. The older the woman, the more likely the kid will come out retarded or defective.
Yet God (Idiot that he is) never stops sending babies despite the hazards to both parents, infants and the overall community.
Note to anonymous:
You make a good point. Fertility clinic babies are at a huge risk of deformities, prematureity, and other life long suffering -- all caused by feminist mother's who fail to make their babies when their bodies are young enough to do it easily.
Great stuff bob, more truth!
excellent essay on truth there bob!
"Despite her fame, fortune, and stardom on Nickelodeon's made for teenage twits series, “Zoey 101,” what Ms. Jamie really wants is what every young female really wants, a baby."
Whenever I begin to seriously wonder why I am reading Bob's "truth", something utterly hilarious pops out at me, such as the line above.
Okay, now let me tell you what I read in a magazine at the checkout (which is far more credible than Bob, hands down): when asked where she wanted to be in the next ten years, she said, in a mansion with a big swimming pool. Asked if she wanted kids, she said, "Whatever happens, happens, I guess."
But forget what she herself said, Bob is able to read celebrity teenage girls' minds.
note to anonymous (December 30, 2007 12:16 AM)
Her actions shout so loud its hard to hear her words. Of course she also wants a home where she can play house with her baby. DUH!
It is interesting to note that while Western society particularly says that teens are "too immature" to make reproduction choices - Nature clearly indicates otherwise. One example comes to mind where a 14 yr old girl married her 26 year old instructor. That man MUST have been a pervert, right? This man was Will Durant, who along with his wife Ariel made a very substantive contribution to society : "The Story of Civilization". They did indeed stay married until death parted them. I believe young people CAN be responsible, but are denied that opportunity by society.
However, feminism DOES suit our rulers' agenda for depopulation and more power.
Hmm...what was that that I learned while studying how the human body works? Oh, yes, that's right...
If a human girl has a child when she's young ('young' meaning teenaged), she runs a great risk of harming/deforming her still-developing body. Think about what effects becoming pregnant for the first time has on a grown woman, and then take into account how that girl's body is trying to take care of itself. It's not a pretty sight.
In addition, humans' frontal lobes don't develop enough to reason out the consequences of many of their actions (like, say, getting pregnant or choosing a marriage partner) until they're at least 25. There ARE exceptions to these rules, but they're rather rare.
Also, how very nice of you to inform me that it's wrong for me to be a doctor. After all, all I'm good for is laying on my back and raising babies, right? And my gosh, I'm a legal adult and haven't popped out a baby YET? Holy crap, I must have a mental defect that makes me less of a 'true woman'!
All this crap that you're trying to feed us leads me to wonder:
If the only reason a girl would want to have sex is because she wants a baby, then is the only reason a boy has sex is because he wants to be responsible for another human life? If this is correct, then please explain why so many men run out on their girls because they got pregnant...and why so many girls give their children up for adoption, even when they are financially capable of caring for said children.
In conclusion...you, sir, are full of chauvinistic BUNK. Have a nice day. :)
Any man or boy who wants a sexual relationship at with a girl of the age 14-16 is just not capable of exercising a little self-control, is a pedophile, or plain dirty old man.
Note to anonymous:
Your feminist hate speech is nothing but a pack of lies and it doesn't fly any more. Pound sand bitch!
Note to anonymous:
Your feminist lies and hate weren't worth crap when your mother used them 50 years ago, and they still aren't. The difference is that your feminist lies, insults, and hate doesn't work on men any more. Pound sand, bitch!
If a 14-16 year old has a career, and can emotionally, physically, ect care for a child, I have no problems their having children. But most shouldn't have kids because they DON'T have all that! You're saying they should have kids just because it's the best time physically. But it's almost never the best time emotionally.
Note to anonymous:
Women have been old enough to marry and begin their families throughout all of human history until feminism. If today's young women are unprepared it is because the modern feminist dominated education system and familiy (single mother) structure fails to prepare them for adulthood.
As for "has a career," motherhood is a career.
Female equality is not a bad thing. To say so is sexist. While I am against feminism mainstream (which is not about equality) what you are suggesting is still sexist. As for motherhood being a career, the same thing can be said about fatherhood. Why aren't you talking about 14-16 year old boys? They're ready (and, if I may say so, much more willing).
And just so you know, I am a male.
My family has a history of schizophrenia. While I was lucky enough to avoid inheriting the disorder, I still carry the genes. I cannot have a baby because I do not wish to pass on the disorder.
Would you consider it beneficial for women like me to pass on things like this to their children?
Note to anonymous: (March 31, 2008 3:29 PM)
For you, suicide is perhaps the best option. A fat sow with mental problems is no benefit to anyone.
So Bob your advocating sex with underage girls. there's a name for people like you .....
the sooner your on a register or in a prison the better society will be.
I will be forwarding a link to your post to the proper authorities.
Note to anonymous:
ROFLMAO!!!!
Bob advocates marriage and family. Despite what you fat sows think, thats still legal around here. Pound sand*, sow!
*All the exercize will help shrink your fat ass.
"makes her babies when she's biologically ready, at around age 14 to 16"
Okay Bob, your 14, you get a girl pregnant, get a job, no you can't go skateboard with your friends anymore, your a father now, you have to wokr, say goodbye to your childhood.
You wouldn't like having to grow up, get married, and have children when your still a child would you? I didn't think so.
Note to anonymous: {April 03, 2008 1:59 PM}
Once again the fat broad twists logic without much success.
Over millions of years it has been NORMAL for young women to marry men who are older than they are, men who are old enough to have resources and position to support her and her children. Most young females have a natural biological attraction for older men. That has always made the most stable and successful families, until feminism destroyed them.
Over the past half century now that feminism has destroyed the opportunity of young females to have normal marriages and families, they are making babies anyway because that’s what young women doe. Millions of single mothers struggle by themselves because they have been denied a good husband and family by the evils of feminist hate. Millions of children suffer abuse and life long loss because they are denied a good family by the evils of feminist hate.
Its time to end the hate and destruction that feminism has done to families. It hurts uncounted millions of women, children, and men.
i am 14 and have never wanted to be a mother at my age. babies are cute to babysit, but i don't want the responsibilities of being a wife and mother and caring for a baby. i don't want to marry a man 20 years older then i am and i don't want to be barefoot and pregnant with babies. what do you have to say to that?
Come on Bob. You're jumping to conclusions here aren't you.
Oh and you didn't read one of the comments correctly (or you answered incorrectly).
She said she "was lucky enough to avoid inheriting the disorder" and then you say "A fat sow with mental problems is no benefit to anyone"
Either you misread her comment, or you meant her children would be worthless. Regardless you point of view isn't not very kind. The lady was clearly asking for advice and you gave her hate.
Constructive criticism is more useful than hate.
If you notice this entire comment gives you advice and it doesn't insult you.
Oh and before you say so. I am a guy, and a teenager, and I can grantee that women aren't trying for babies.
Bob. Suicide is NEVER the answer for ANYONE. particularly with an issue that isn't their fault.
Oh and someone's talking about you here:
http://fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?q=37251
(Ignore the irony of the site posting you)
OH and the girls actions can easily be interpreted in any matter of ways. i,e':
she is a lesbian and wishes to hide it by having a kid (just as proven as your idea),
she was raped (may as well throw that one in since your overgeneralizing everything.),
she had sex for the fun of it and the baby was the unknown but welcome result (it's what most girls I know do, though they talke the abortion route due tothe fact that unlike this girl they don't have economic stability).
Just because the girl has a house doesn't mean she wants kids. Most likely it is a move for stability in her life.
And you cannot blame feminists for all the problems in society. They may help, but they are by no means a main part of it, and anyway our world is already over populated, what does it matter if there are less offspring. If anything it will help our poor planet.
It is best of people hold off having kids until after they have gained economic stability and have a stable household, this just happens to occur after the person is over 20. It has little to do with feminists.
I'd like to see your response to my comment, But please keep the insults to a minimum and simply provide a constructive intelligent debate as I'm trying to do.
Note to Cheryl:
You’re young and still full of feminist training, no mystery there. You believe what you’ve been taught. Meanwhile millions of your sisters are making babies whether they have been allowed to have a decent family or not. It is a human tragedy of unprecedented proportions.
Note to nick:
You’re young and missed the point of the previous facetious reader’s comment. When you grow up and become more experienced you will be able to discern the difference between her misandrist feminist rhetoric and a real question.
The advice from a teenage boy who has been fed leftist feminist dogma for all his life is insulting rather than useful. Its been said (as humor) that we should let children rule the world while they still know it all.
As for your “guarantee,” its more teenage nonsense. Millions of young females like Jamie Lynn Spears are making babies without being allowed to have decent families to raise them in. Bastard children are now the majority of children in some US states. Time to wake up and open your eyes. Remove the blinders of the crap the leftist feminist schools are feeding you every day.
Bob:
Where's your evidence that feminism exists in the form you say it does, let alone controls everything. Feminism isn't what tells me it's wrong for a 30-year-old guy to make babies with a 14-year-old girl, reason does. Granted we all think differently, but feminism isn't a faceless empire of hate.
What you are suggesting is the subservience of women, a laughable idea in the 21st century. Most people like to think that humanity has grown out of such actions, but apparently they are sadly mistaken. As long as people like you preach a message of dominance and inferiority, we as a society will never be able evolve.
P.S. I am a teenage male, and don't give me any of that "Feminist brainwashing" garbage.
P.P.S. It has come across my mind that this entire site is one big joke, and that you are making fun of people that agree with your posts. If that is the case, bravo, my hat comes off to you.
Dear Bob--
What do you think of David Bowie? I ask this specifically in the context of the changes he's rendered to the way we view gender.
http://www.5years.com/Gall335.htm
Note to the children:
Ten years of feminist leftist “school” does not qualify you as an expert on anything. It will probably take you 1 year of real life to unlearn the crap they are indoctrinating you with, of you ever make it. Until you accomplish that, all you are doing is reciting the leftist/feminist hate training they have indoctrinated you with.
Please read Bob’s rules for comments before opening your keyboard and demonstrating your lack of knowledge of anything important.
Note to the anonymous teenage boy.
Your brain can't be "brainwashed" because you haven't learned anything yet. All you've done is to absorb years of feminist misandry and leftist indoctrination. It will take you years to unlearn all that crap if you work at it. This site is for MEN, not pussy boys.
Note to Zac:
Bob didn’t think enough of David Bouie in 1972 to remember whatever music he might have been producing back then. Perhaps a sidebar for a small group of fans.
When you ask about, “the changes he's rendered to the way we view gender,” your use of the term “we” should not extend beyond leftist perverts and perhaps yourself. Gender has not changed at all despite an increase in the number of leftists and perverts in the media.
Bob I have a few views and observations to your answer.
1. If it was a rhetorical question why did you answer it in way that insulted her, instead of constructive criticism?
2. I have not been fed "leftist feminist dogma." The only reason I am opposing your points of view is that I see you jumping to conclusions and writing in a style that is informal and possibly insulting. My main concern about your style is not your points but your way of discussing them. If you wish to provide concise information about a topic, a formal language that points out facts and conclusions is best to allow others to understand your point of view.
3.I agree that children and teens don't know everything, we may ace other subjects to you but you'll always have the age advantage over us, but then you must ask yourself, doesn't an 80 year old have more knowledge and wisdom than yourself. Maybe they should run the country, but then they suffer from dementia and other problems and their views are seen as old and outdated. Bob, what is the perfect age where your views aren't out dated?
4. Why did you call my advice insulting? I didn't say anything bad, or are discriminating against me because of my age?
5. True. I cannot guarantee it. It was wrong for me to use my own personal experience of the issue to argue a point. I'm sorry for that.
6. "without being allowed to have decent families to raise them in" Really? In what way are the stopped? I am honestly interested and may agree with your point with evidence.
7. "Bastard children are now the majority of children in some US states". Bastard children are kids born out of wedlock, not children born when the parents are young. (oh and I'd love the link to that information, I keep on forgetting to site my sources as well)
8. "Remove the blinders of the crap the leftist feminist schools are feeding you every day" Thankfully I don't go to American schools. (well from what your telling me I should be thankful for that). I am understanding individual. I always consider both sides of any thing I view and make my judgments on which side of the argument is the 'correct' side. Often I find that both sides have positives and negatives, and so must form my own conclusions. I have probably been fed crap in school, but I am a smart individual who knows what to learn and what to forget.
I am NOT pro-feminist, I simple consider both sides and choose the middle ground as it is often the most level (and 'correct') view. Unfortunately your post seems a bit rightist.
Anyway. i am enjoying this discussion and hope to continue.
What I would like to know Bob, is, is all honesty, not trying to be snarky here, what you believe a forty year old man has in common with a fourteen year old girl aside from sexual urges. I don't know about you but I've seen how bad marriages go when the two people involved have two very different levels of maturity and very little common ground. I would think such unions would often be a grave mismatch.
Note to nick.
Yes, bastards are kids born to unmarried young women, many of whom don't even know who the fathers are. They are now the majority in some US states (California for example) and the rest of the US is rapidly catching up in bastard production. A child born to a single mother has a much higher chance of being abused and failing at life. It is a disaster for millions and millions of young women and their children.
Note to anonymous: (April 06, 2008 5:12 PM)
Sorry, toots, old fat sows like yourself are of little interest to real men.
Your stupid rhetorical leap to "40 year old" apparently comes out of your own sad excuse for a mind. Lay off the chocolates.
Young women should be allowed to choose whom they want.
You are the one who brought up fourteen year old women with forty year old men. I was simply asking very simple questions regarding the logic behind it.
Only people that are unable to clearly debate a point of contention resort to attacking people personally, Bob and if you feel so compelled that you simply must verbally abuse everyone who questions your viewpoints, at least find something to attack that isn't linked to the physical aspects of their person (since you have no clue about their age or their weight and it just sounds rather silly.)
By the way Bob, I'm not a feminist, and think that the movement has caused a lot of issues (as well as done a little good). I simply have a serious problem understanding what any grown man would have in common with someone that young that they would be able to create a marriage emotionally fulfilling to both parties.
Note to Anonymous: (April 06, 2008 6:52 PM)
Lying about your previous strawman only makes you look more like a fat sow. YOU were the one who dreamt up “fourty year old man.” Bob consistently advocates that young women should be allowed the freedom to choose the most appropriate husband, not forced into a false feminist life plan that hurts millions and millions of young women and children.
“I’m not a feminist….” has become the opening mantra of 3rd wave feminists. More lies don’t help your failed position.
For millions of years young women have frequently selected men who are 5 to 15 years older than themselves for a variety of valid reasons. The requirements for the man are different than the requirements for the female. He supports the family, she makes the baby. The roles are quite different and have different specifications.
Why don't you ask yourself why you are so afraid of allowing freedom for young women?
And lay off the chocolate. It doesn't help your posterior.
Note to Bob:
It's me! The teenage boy! You didn't answer any of my questions, you simply said I was an idiot and called me a pussy. I would like you to convince me that I'm wrong, which is something you've failed to do for anyone. Give me evidence supporting the argument that feminism is omnipotent and evil.
Please, no more strawmen.
Thank you for your comments on bastards. What about my other points.
1) Stop calling that woman fat, you've never even seen a picture of her.
2) No one is denying women freedom, but young people often make poor decisions, as their brains are not fully developed.
3) Bastard children are most definitely not a majority, and they are not always abused. I know several (about 2 dozen) children with parents that were either never married or separated very early in the child's life, and they none were ever abused.
4) I'm not a feminist (Huh!? I'm a 3rd wave feminist!), and I am very much against it, but it doesn't control society any more than scientology.
Note to Nick,
Your previous so-called questions were not questions. They were statements and rhetoric, like your most recent. Your rhetorical question, “prove to me that feminism is omnipotent and evil” is 1. Impossible because you won’t accept anything as “proof” and 2. Instead of a question it’s a topic for several books. It can not be answered in a blog comments page. Since you knew that your most recent comment is disingenuous and dishonest.
If you are sincere about learning, a good place to start reading is “Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture by Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young. This very scholarly book is the first report of an ongoing research project at McGill University
Note to Anonymous (April 06, 2008 7:56 PM)
1) If she squeals like a sow and waddles like a sow…..
2a) Wrong. Feminist dogma and coercion has made it unacceptable and illegal for young women to choose anything but the feminist life plan. Young women have no choice. They are forced into the feminist life.
2b) Nobody’s brain is fully developed. Dr. Laura advocates making women wait until they are no longer able to form deep lifelong emotional bonds with their husbands. That is the feminist version of “developed." It is part of the feminist plan to destroy marriage and families.
2c) Women in their 20s make really poor decisions, and women in their 30s make many poor decisions. Women in their 60s often make poor decisions. How long should a young woman wait? In truth, the poorest decision of all is to turn away from a good rich rewarding life as a wife and mother to follow the false goddess of feminist careers.
3) You need to go read birth and census statistics before posting nonsense like that. More than 50% of babies are now bastards in US States such as California. Often the mother has no idea who the father(s) of her children were. Bastard children are far more likely to end up in prison, end up as drug addicts, work in the sex trades, and again as single mothers who don’t know who the fathers of their children were.
4) “I’m not a feminist” is now the universal mantra of 3rd wave feminists before going on to recite their beliefs in most of the dogma and programs of 1st and 2nd wave feminism and of course they live their lives according to the feminist model. You’ve been doing a pretty good job of demonstrating feminism so far.
5) So tell me that you aren’t trying to lose a few pounds.
Actually they were points of view, similar to your post which I was discussing. I didn't actually mention any questions, but if I did imply them, then I am sorry.
I originally said that I had some points that I wished to discuss with you, and, in number one, I was asking why you insulted the lady instead of providing constructive criticism. The idea of feminism wasn't actually involved.
Could you please go thought each of my points and please either agree, disagree, or strike indifference to each and, if easily able, provide a reason?
Oh and unfortunately my local library doesn't have that title, and been a student means that I don't have much money, do you know any free sources i could reference?
And I never said “prove to me that feminism is omnipotent and evil” so why were you quoting me? You may have mixed me up with another commenter. That idea is in no way related to anything that I said...well at least I wasn't trying to make that point.
My main issue was simply your ways of insulting your commenters and your style of advice, as well as your habit of jumping to conclusions.
Also I didn't use the word "proof" in my answer either. I merely asked politely if you had any sources for your information to allow me to have access to the same sources.
Also how can my post be both uninformed, and dishonest.
Please note that I am not whoever the heck the anonymous poster was.
I only am using my Google blogging account. Whoever that was is trying to disrupt our communication.
Please disregard them as they aren't related to me in any way and are getting in the way.
Note to Nick,
If your previous comments were confused with another poster then that is regrettable.
a) In any event I’ve reviewed the previous comments by “Nick” and find that rather than questions you have posted opinions and rhetoric. Your points are much too long, rambling and confused for a concise answer. A comment page is not a suitable format for a long open ended philosophical discussion.
b) Most of your comments and opinions seem to be off topic for this topic. Bob tries to limit responses to comments germane to the topic and can not answer all comments on all topics.
c) The fat sow knows who she is and how much she weighs.
d) You may describe Bob’s style as “jumping to conclusions.” A better description would be a highly intelligent summary based on many decades of experience and wisdom. Your view of the world would be more positive for you if you listened more closely to Bob.
e) I’m not surprised that your local library doesn’t have materials that fail to support the feminist dogma of the lesbian librarians. Many libraries can request loans from other libraries in the region. My wife often get books sent in from neighboring states. You can also try the library of a local university. Other than that you may be able to find inexpensive used book copies at Amazon or other sources.
Okay Bob. Still I believe that Insults help few. But I guess I cannot make any head way in that respect.
Should I even ask about 'c'? I have little idea what you mean by that.
Oh and I believe that in order to find the most logical conclusions you should view multiple sources. I'm not looking for positives, but rather the ultimate truth.
By the way what did you mean by positive? \/
"Your view of the world would be more positive for you if you listened more closely to Bob"
My library did have some good anti feminist book but I didn't agree with their conclusions.
Sorry for misusing your comments page. I shall stop posting here.
Numerous studies (by MEN as late back as the fifties) found that the group of people most likely to be depressed was housewives with two children under the age of 5. They were not supporting a feminist agenda.
Not all women want kids. They want the right to a career. I don't see why this is a problem for you
Note to anonymous: (April 07, 2008 4:23 AM )
a) Feminists have pumped out lies after lies after lies under the guise of “studies” for more than a century. Calling a feminist lie a “study” does not turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.
b) While some young women may not want a good family and children, millions choose to be mothers whether feminists allow them to marry or not. Why are feminists so afraid of motherhood that they make marriage and family illegal for young women and force all young women to follow the failed radical feminist life model?
c) For a more enlightened view of the dark future of feminist females who follow the false goddess into oblivion, read about the plight of Ms. Laura Nolan and millions like her, Where have all the Old Maids Gone? There have been many similar articles lately written by old feminists who realize too late that their choice in life is not reversible.
d) A better choice for you and millions of young women would be to become wives and mothers and turn away from the dead end life of Ms. Nolan or the single mom failure. If only feminists would allow them to choose.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you Bob. I have zero sexuality and very rarely am I at all attracted. I've lived alone (without a significant other) for most of my life and when I do have one I feel nothing but uncomfortable and restricted. Not from flirting or dating. Just restricted. I plan to be a detective one day, and wouldn't want to burden my family with knowing I'm in what is a potentially deadly career.
Not all women are the same in the same way that not all men are the same. Therefore you can not say that all of them prefer something like that, as it's simply not true.
Dear Bob:
I won't lie to you. I disagree with every word of your post. (well, except for the bit about "Zoey 101" being made for teenaged twits) However, I will try to keep a polite, professional tone during this reply, and I ask of you only that you do the same for me, and refrain from using vulgarities or insults in your reply.
The main thing that concerns me with your "thesis", so to speak, is the preposition that young women should be marrying men who are significantly older than them. I ask you, what possible interests could a 25 year-old man and a 15 year-old young woman have in common? The age difference (1/3 of her lifespan, and 2/5 of his!) and psychological maturity levels are immense, and it would be hard to hold a conversation, much less form a long-term relationship ending in marriage. The only reason for such a marriage would be reproductive purposes, and personally, I would hope that the bonds of marriage would be more about everlasting love than about squeezing out as many children as you can before menopause sets in.
This isn't just "feminazi propagana", either. Such a marriage, as far as I can see, would be extremely unhappy. Picture it: The girl is busy all day cleaning the house and taking care of children, the man is out at work all day, and then, when they sit down to dinner, they have nothing to talk about. She can't really contribute to any discussions about his work; and he (understandably) isn't really interested in what Lucy said about Mary on AIM that day. After dinner, it's off to bed, where they're both too tired to do anything other than change into pajamas and plop down on the bed. Not exactly a fairytale romance, eh?
This is getting a bit tl;dr, so I shan't continue for much longer. Just, please, next time you want to talk about having babies, ask yourself: Would I really like to squeeze something around 3 inches across out of an orfice that is only slightly larger than a pinhole?
-Respectfully yours,
Grim
Note to thegrimsqueaker:
You may claim that young women don’t want men who are 10 years older than themselves, but that contradicts the choices of millions of young women. There is in fact a strong evolutionary behavior of women to choose men who are old enough and economically strong enough to support them and their child. My own mother was 12 years younger than my father. Nobody “forced” her to choose an older man. Swooning for an older established man is almost a cliché in literature. Women marrying older men was known as the STANDARD until feminism, and even today it hasn’t changed a million years of evolutionary female behavior. All your hate has not changed the desires of most young men and young women, nor the needs of young married couples.
As for your nonsense about “squeeze through an orifice,” the females of every species have birthed their children for eons and none of them but feminazi humans ever whines about it. The said orifice is DESIGNED for birthing babies. Are you blond?
Bob,
I have to wake up early tommorrow, so I can't write a full response. Besides, my writing skills tend to decline after 9 pm, so it's probably for the best.
I'll just say that I meant the "pinhole" thing to be a joke. I was trying to say that it's all fine and dandy to advocate having lots of kids when you're not the one having them. (Since, natural or not, the process still isn't much fun, from what I've heard) Sorry if it fell a bit flat.
-Grim
(PS: I'm brunette, actually)
(PPS: Sorry if this doesn't make much sense. Just try to get the basic gist of it if it turns out to be word salad)
(This is TheGrimSqueaker, by the way. It isn't accepting my password for some reason, so I have to comment anonymously.)
Bob,
I didn't mean for it to sound like all women who marry older men were forced into it. I agree, there may be an evolutionary force behind the preference for older men. However, there is a big difference between a 20 year old marrying a 32 year old, and a 15 year old marrying a 27 year old. As we grow older, age differences become less and less significant in determining one's maturity and foresight.
You mentioned a 12-year age difference in your letter, so I'll use that as my basic example. Compare an infant with a 12 year old. Obviously, the 12 year old is far more advanced in every way.
Now compare a 5 year-old to a 17 year-old. They do share some basic traits, but still, worlds apart.
A 10 year-old and a 22-year old share even more, but they are nowhere near intellectual equals.
Now we get to your ideal marrying age of 15 (give or take a few years). Now, I'm still young enough to remember highschool, and I can vouch that most 15-year olds, if left to their own devices, would expire within the week, if not the hour. They may be mostly done with the physical part of puberty, but the mental part is still in progress. Most of them have not yet gained the planning skills and maturity that are needed for adulthood. So they are still not able to be the true equals of one 12 years older.
However, a 20 year-old is an adult. Individual personality flaws aside, most 20 year-olds are fully capable of thinking for themselves, as adults, and most have enough maturity to deal with other adults as equals. So there is not much difference between a 20 year-old and a 32 year-old.
-Grim
PS: Apologies if this is a bit too tl;dr. I tend to shoot my mouth off sometimes.
PPS: There are some points that I would like to make that I didn't have room for, so I would appreciate it if you waited just a bit longer.
PPPS: I just realized that the blog logged my last time of posting as 6:47. It was 9:37 here, though. Sorry if that caused any confusion.
-TheGrimSqueaker-
Note to TheGrimSqueeker:
Whatever you believe about young women and marriage, millions of young women are getting pregnant and becoming mothers whether you think they are "mature" or not. They even have special high schools for pregnant women and mothers in some cities. Most of them would rather have a husband and a good life rather than be a single mother but have gotten no support from family, school, or friends. They are effectively forced to avoid marriage. Despite that coercion their natural desires gives them babies.
Far better for women to be allowed to choose marriage and a good family with a husband old enough to support her than to become another single mother trying to raise her bastard(s) on welfare.
Bob,
I actually agree with the majority of your last comment. I agree that it is much better for a teen to raise children with a spouse than on her own, and I also agree that many do not get the support they need.
However I still think that it is wisest for a girl to finish high school before making such a life-changing decision.
Firstly, as I mentioned in my last comment, by that stage in her life she should be able to interact more with a wider range of ages, allowing her to seek out an older, more financially secure, man, as you suggested.
Secondly, if the young woman (let's call her Suzie, since I'm tired of thinking up epithets) already has a boyfriend, then she will be able to consult with him about her decision, and they will be able to plan together, without being busy in school.
Thirdly, Suzie's hypothetical boyfriend will have a high school diploma, so he will be able to get higher paying jobs, and better provide for the family.
Fourthly (Is that even a word?), Suzie will have a full education, so she'll be better equipped to deal with the world, boyfriend or not.
And finally, she will be able to deal with all of this as an adult, not as a teen thrust into an adult's role.
I hope that you understand what I mean. Again, if both parties can manage it, then I fully support whatever decisions they make, but I also think that it is smartest to finish high school before making such a big decision.
-Grim
It's getting a bit late, so could we continue tommorrow? I'm interested in what you have to say. :)
Note to Grim:
The problems of "education" are many. It is designed not to educate but to stifle young people, train them in obedience to the culture, and prevent them from growing up as long as possible. Dropping out is actually better for young people, but the drilled in obedience is very effective. I suggest that you acquire and read some of the books by "The Odysseus Group and John Taylor Gatto, NY Teacher of the Year. A young woman who drops out of cultural conditioning and becomes a SAHM at a proper biological age will have several decades to go to university and become a doctor or whatever AFTER her children are grown. Trying to do both in the other order is insane.
I love being a physicist, I'm absolutely wonderful at it, and I have no desire to become a mother. DIAF.
Face it Bob. You want the law reversed, enabling you and other men to snatch up young ladies before they're given an education, skills and opportunities that would be otherwise denied to them if they're married at 14-16 years old.
This is a perfect scenerio for men. Naturally they'd want to fight tooth and nail to continue to imprison women and children in strong stable "families". Mold and shape those girls into quiet, meek, wives and slaves.
Unfortunately Bob, it is the 21st century and no amount whining on your behalf will allow men to "legally" treat women and children as property.
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